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Post by regina on Nov 8, 2014 13:41:40 GMT -5
Does it actually show the child's face in the pram? I can't seem to remember ....
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Post by Legion on Nov 8, 2014 15:05:32 GMT -5
I can't remember either. Interestingly, I've heard other people wonder about the same. I have a vague recollection of eyes.
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Post by borntobooze on Nov 9, 2014 15:53:08 GMT -5
There really is much of Lovecraft in there. I think what makes the difference for me is that Alien is much more straightforward. There is a terrible monster running around, but the monster is playing it clean, acting like a tiger, and there is a clear feeling that the situation can be solved through reason. It's very procedural, very much about damage control. The Thing is not playing it clean, and despair sets in almost immediately. A detail I love about The Thing is that you would think of the mutating horror as a mindless beast, but it's not. It's actually highly intelligent, enough to be building a small starship in secret. It's a scientist just like the human characters. now I understand your point. Turns out to be paradoxical when you see the starship from Alien and he only acts on a primary extinct. The film seems have invested more on scenic production than the storyline. Maybe make it more accessible.
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Post by borntobooze on Nov 9, 2014 16:01:18 GMT -5
For those who like 'Shining', a film that seems to follow the same line is the 'Suspiria', don't know if you guys ever seen. I believe he's even more cruel (if is possible! Haha) and also has beautiful scenery contrasting with horror.
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Post by Legion on Nov 9, 2014 19:18:56 GMT -5
There really is much of Lovecraft in there. I think what makes the difference for me is that Alien is much more straightforward. There is a terrible monster running around, but the monster is playing it clean, acting like a tiger, and there is a clear feeling that the situation can be solved through reason. It's very procedural, very much about damage control. The Thing is not playing it clean, and despair sets in almost immediately. A detail I love about The Thing is that you would think of the mutating horror as a mindless beast, but it's not. It's actually highly intelligent, enough to be building a small starship in secret. It's a scientist just like the human characters. now I understand your point. Turns out to be paradoxical when you see the starship from Alien and he only acts on a primary extinct. The film seems have invested more on scenic production than the storyline. Maybe make it more accessible. I think both films have very solid, very tight storylines, but the focus is different. Neither film explains anything really, but you have the divergent details that the Thing was able to build starships, while the xenomorph from Alien had been held as cargo in its original egg stage, and you build your own interpretation from there. I think speculation over the mystery is very much intentional in Alien, and that's what also gave us Prometheus in 2012. The xenomorph's biology and life cycle are cryptic, but detailed, and invite speculation, while the interest when it comes to the Thing is on its deception and the social dynamics. I guess that's another reason why I feel Alien as more science fiction - you care relatively little how the Thing works or where it came from. There is a theory that the Thing was also held as cargo of some sort in the starship that crash-lands in Antarctica at the beginning of the film, and that it absorbed scientific knowledge from the ship's alien crew like it later assimilates English from the humans. But I really prefer the idea that the Thing is actually the original, legitimate alien pilot, and that the whole film is essentially the tale of an astronaut stranded on an alien planet. I haven't seen Suspiria yet, but do try this from the same director: m.imdb.com/title/tt0073582/?ref_=m_nmfmd_dr_19
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Post by borntobooze on Nov 11, 2014 16:56:11 GMT -5
now I understand your point. Turns out to be paradoxical when you see the starship from Alien and he only acts on a primary extinct. The film seems have invested more on scenic production than the storyline. Maybe make it more accessible. I think both films have very solid, very tight storylines, but the focus is different. Neither film explains anything really, but you have the divergent details that the Thing was able to build starships, while the xenomorph from Alien had been held as cargo in its original egg stage, and you build your own interpretation from there. I think speculation over the mystery is very much intentional in Alien, and that's what also gave us Prometheus in 2012. The xenomorph's biology and life cycle are cryptic, but detailed, and invite speculation, while the interest when it comes to the Thing is on its deception and the social dynamics. I guess that's another reason why I feel Alien as more science fiction - you care relatively little how the Thing works or where it came from. There is a theory that the Thing was also held as cargo of some sort in the starship that crash-lands in Antarctica at the beginning of the film, and that it absorbed scientific knowledge from the ship's alien crew like it later assimilates English from the humans. But I really prefer the idea that the Thing is actually the original, legitimate alien pilot, and that the whole film is essentially the tale of an astronaut stranded on an alien planet. I haven't seen Suspiria yet, but do try this from the same director: m.imdb.com/title/tt0073582/?ref_=m_nmfmd_dr_19Nice, Legion, interestingly I saw an review that touch in the same point of your about the Alien, long ago that I don't watch as well. About 'Deep Red', another one I want to see. Funny I confused some times Argento with Fulci... I watched 'Suspiria' thinking that's a Fulci's movie. haha Was finding it strange despite the violence be the same in some scenes because Fulci's style is quite different. Argento is a great horror master and I hear people praising enough about 'Deep Red'. Thanks for the indication!
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Post by Legion on Nov 11, 2014 21:37:43 GMT -5
They really do have a different style. I feel like Argento did his best stuff at the beginning of his career, especially the non-supernatural films. That being said, this one is very good early material with a supernatural touch: m.imdb.com/title/tt0087909/?ref_=m_nmfmd_dr_15It's very creepy and very atmospheric, which I think is great. Bonus points for early Jennifer Connelly and Iron Maiden in the soundtrack.
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Post by borntobooze on Nov 12, 2014 10:52:03 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Phenomena was one of the first DVDs I got, bought in an old horror magazine. A great movie, indeed! And I didn't expect that Iron Maiden appeared on the soundtrack, it also gave me a fright. lol I'm not an expert on Argento, but gave notice that he likes to touch these supernatural matters, and generally with women in the lead role.
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Post by mark321 on Nov 15, 2014 13:36:24 GMT -5
just thought of another - The Ring
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Post by timtelford on Nov 16, 2014 9:08:09 GMT -5
is that the killer-video one? I get scared easily these days LOL
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Post by Legion on Nov 16, 2014 11:46:07 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Phenomena was one of the first DVDs I got, bought in an old horror magazine. A great movie, indeed! And I didn't expect that Iron Maiden appeared on the soundtrack, it also gave me a fright. lol I'm not an expert on Argento, but gave notice that he likes to touch these supernatural matters, and generally with women in the lead role. He really does. Even Deep Red, which is very mundane, starts out with a telepath character, and the reporter is a very strong female character, especially if you consider this was made in Italy in the 70's.
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Post by borntobooze on Nov 16, 2014 17:15:37 GMT -5
I'm not too attached to the newest horror movies, so I never saw The Ring. A new, with the theme of spirits I've seen is 'The Others', but because it was on TV, I found very mellow for a horror movie. But it's also a movie with Nicole Kidman, you couldn't expect something heavier.
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Post by rick on Nov 18, 2014 3:44:46 GMT -5
I'm not too attached to the newest horror movies, so I never saw The Ring. A new, with the theme of spirits I've seen is 'The Others', but because it was on TV, I found very mellow for a horror movie. But it's also a movie with Nicole Kidman, you couldn't expect something heavier. its got a good twist tho'
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Post by borntobooze on Nov 19, 2014 21:42:36 GMT -5
Yes, the plot is fluent, I just think the movie is soft.
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Post by Legion on Nov 20, 2014 12:58:51 GMT -5
I'm now realizing that horror is probably the film genre with the widest spectrum. Think about the range between The Others and Brain Dead, or between any of those and Alien.
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