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Post by Legion on Sept 29, 2014 13:25:17 GMT -5
I mean, strip the songs of the production values, consider melody and rhythm alone. 1916 is the old school rock album, Sacrifice has a 90's mechanical, quasi-industrial feel, etc. Would Sacrifice work with 1916's production?
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Stu
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Post by Stu on Sept 29, 2014 15:56:09 GMT -5
Well 1916 after all these years I'm still trying to hear the kick drum on certain songs, and sometimes even the snare. And Lemmy's fucking unique Bass hasn't really come through all properly on an album yet, although there are a few exceptions recently. I mean, that Motorhead In The Studio book has all these engineers banging on about how hard it is to capture that amazing Bass in the studio, yet the live albums manage it no problem! The bootlegs especially. I would love a couple of days with them WAV files or whatever from the last 3 or 4 albums.... Aye, Deaf Forever and the majority of the Orgasmatron LP is a horrible sound, and not in a good way! But we knew that anyway!
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Post by Copelasmatron on Oct 2, 2014 21:19:09 GMT -5
rock n roll is solid album i adore title track, black heart, eat the rich, all for you and boogeyman I love the album but I am finding lately that it was a distractingly loud snare sound. It wasn't Philthy's best album as a drummer but I think the mix of the drums does not help. All snare and you can't hear much else.
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Post by Copelasmatron on Oct 2, 2014 21:24:18 GMT -5
I mean, strip the songs of the production values, consider melody and rhythm alone. 1916 is the old school rock album, Sacrifice has a 90's mechanical, quasi-industrial feel, etc. Would Sacrifice work with 1916's production? Sacrifice is very muddy. Kind of like Kiss' Hotter than Hell in it's sound. I wonder if that was a deliberate production choice back in 1995 with the grunge/alternative thing in full swing. Just muddy up the sound to try and make it sound like the times, but ultimately dating it.
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Post by Legion on Oct 4, 2014 1:48:06 GMT -5
The production is possibly intentionally 90's. The 90's gave us Nirvana, Guns'n'Roses, Marilyn Manson, Rammstein, Rob Zombie. People were bound to take notice. I see Fear of the Dark as Iron Maiden doing Guns'n'Roses, basically. I don't know how much of it was jumping on a bandwagon and how much honest experimentation. I think Sacrifice-style songs, both in structure and production, are among Motörhead's best. I see a lot of Sacrifice elements in Inferno, for instance, even if mixed with more melody and clearer sound. A good example of this sort of hybrid is Terminal Show. It sounds like a tank falling down the stairs, but the melody is catchy and they placed a Steve Vai solo in the middle of it. I love that song so.
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Post by Copelasmatron on Oct 4, 2014 15:20:50 GMT -5
Great song but I could do without Vai on it.
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Post by regina on Oct 4, 2014 15:39:57 GMT -5
It's perhaps a bit OT, but while a shoddy production will sometimes thoroughly spoil the listening pleasure, I still don't think it's the technical factor alone which is crucial for us liking or disliking a specific record. Now this might be a typical female approach, but for me it's first and foremost the music itself which has to "talk" to me, no matter how poorly the studio job was done. And Motörhead does in fact talk to me on various levels ;-). It's also the reason why most Death Metal bands leave me totally unimpressed; monotonous, unintelligible grunting simply doesn't do anything for me, even if it's top quality production-wise.
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Post by Legion on Oct 4, 2014 17:21:34 GMT -5
I hear what you say. There are kinds of music that rely on execution to be enjoyed, and others that don't. Say, a huge part of jazz is actually execution, as it is for hip hop. That's the stuff that relies not on distinctive melodies to work, but rather on technique. Death metal is also in the same camp. Other stuff, like more traditional metal or classical music, is melody-based, and can be instantly recognized even if played on a Casio. I can't appreciate the technique-based stuff either.
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timtelford
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Post by timtelford on Oct 5, 2014 7:20:24 GMT -5
wow good points, I rarely considered the production sides as a comparison exercise before. I'll come back when I've thought about it...! Inferno was a great job start to finish, full throttle out the speakers. Think they are unlikely to change produer now
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Post by lardomatic on Oct 5, 2014 15:01:15 GMT -5
monotonous, unintelligible grunting simply doesn't do anything for me, even if it's top quality production-wise. Best not meet up with me, Mark and Tim at a gig anytime soon then......
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Post by regina on Oct 5, 2014 16:38:38 GMT -5
Huh? Are you saying you're NOT the well-mannered gentlemen I was always taking you for?
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Post by Legion on Oct 5, 2014 16:39:33 GMT -5
I don't know why but I love the idea of No Sleep having its own growling metal chapter. Maybe because that niche never had a real presence in here.
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Post by Legion on Oct 5, 2014 16:41:10 GMT -5
Huh? Are you saying you're NOT the well-mannered gentlemen I was always taking you for? But that's the beauty of it, they are all gentlemen and so well-spoken.
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Post by regina on Oct 5, 2014 16:52:15 GMT -5
I bet they are .
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Post by Legion on Oct 5, 2014 16:58:17 GMT -5
This reminds me of that time I went to a Tool gig and Mastodon were the opening act and there's this guy in a suit right at the edge of the mosh pit, twentysomething, right out of a country club. "Uh, cool. Special occasion?" "No, I always dress like this."
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